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Forum games and Wesnoth.org

Tuesday, June 22, 2010

Recently, Wesnoth's Off-Topic forum has fallen victim of a virus that had already attempted to take over our community long time ago. Forums games are a fun application of the board system to have some fun in social zones, but they sometimes get annoying.

They get particularly annoying when all the people involved have little or no creativity at all. There was a “Ruin a Wish Foundation” thread in Wesnoth's Off-Topic forum for a while until I locked it to try and see whether anyone would care. Some people did, and in fact, a new “Ruin a Wish Foundation” thread was started shortly afterwards. I simply let it go this time, but the amount of repetitiveness in the game's posts is getting pretty irritating.

Meanwhile, the incredibly hard-to-read “Three Word Story” game is also taking up space, and serves only as an unsettling showcase of these forumers' inability to come up with something different and amusing such as the “Limerick Duel” thread.

All in all, the Off-Topic forum will continue to be doomed to autopruning if this madness continues.

This is particularly terrible because the primary excuse used by the Powers That Be™ to justify the autopruning of Off-Topic is disk space, with pointlessness being a secondary excuse. Autopruning was introduced during times when the Wesnoth.org community forums were hosted on a server that wasn't under our control. This has certainly changed nowadays, and I honestly can't see how it's more important to avoid increasing Off-Topic's size in posts (where normal users can't add attachments) while individual art and music threads in other forums can use take up even more disk space thanks to enormous (occasionally gratuitously redundant) attachments. So, while space is no longer an excuse, the pointlessness seems to be a plague that we can't exterminate. Yet.

As I said not long ago in a certain post in Off-Topic:

Off-Topic is the name of the forum. This has never meant that you can go wild and be stupid or such (“off-topic”) in here.
Posted in Wesnoth at 06:48 UTC | 11 comments
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Forum games, part 2
I have deliberately avoided to return to the issue of forum games in Wesnoth.org for a long while, but Gambit and I have become increasingly worried about the board’s security due to potential guidelines violations from people who register for the sole pu
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Posted on 2010-06-23 22:07 (#1)
Grickit said:
What can be done? When we respond we contribute to the pointless thread. When we don't respond they don't care. They're (formerly we) perfectly content to just go on without us.
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Posted on 2010-07-11 16:56 (#1.1)
Tonepoet said:
Perhaps everybody could be happy, if players are stuck into a playpen? It'd mean more games but more importantly, less clutter and noise where the adults do their talking. I don't mean like a whole top level subforum but rather, a child board to Off-Topic. Is that possible in phpbb?
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Posted on 2010-07-13 01:14 (#1.1.1)
shadowmaster said:
Yes, that's possible but I don't think I'm going to do it.

This is mainly because subforum lists take up too much space in our default template (subsilver2 with wesnoth theme) which IMHO ends up being distracting for those who want to look at the current forum's threads and not to its subforums.
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Posted on 2010-07-05 16:52 (#2)
Warchief Thrall said:
Would you lock a "post something about the person above you" thread? :-)
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Posted on 2010-07-05 20:14 (#2.1)
shadowmaster said:
Of course!
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Posted on 2010-07-16 17:33 (#3)
elvish_sovereign said:
http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30797&start=0

;) Get your ban hammer ready, shadowmaster!
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Posted on 2010-07-16 17:59 (#4)
boru said:
What upsets me is, while topics like You've Been Playing Wesnoth Too Long increase in popularity, topics that introduce new campaigns are lucky to get more than a handful of posts. New artists are sometimes ignored, or just get one-line critiques like "too much pillow shading." Even the mainline campaign threads are a bit underweight. I wish I had a useful solution, but lacking that, here's a ridiculous one: a separate post count for off-topic posts.
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Posted on 2010-07-16 19:22 (#4.1)
shadowmaster said:
Making the OT post-count separate from the regular post-count would require some coding work that I'm not really willing to do, especially since it'd not really solve anything. :(

FWIW, we tried setting the forums to not increase the post-counts of people posting in Game Development and Off-Topic for a while. It didn't really help with tracking spambots.

YBPWTL is a hellspawn that I never expected to be summoned again.
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Posted on 2010-07-16 20:28 (#4.1.1)
z said:
http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=2097064 ?
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Posted on 2010-07-16 20:34 (#4.1.1.1)
shadowmaster said:
Hence my comment "we tried setting the forums to not increase the post-counts of people posting in Game Development and Off-Topic for a while". :P
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Posted on 2010-07-17 01:34 (#5)
Zarel said:
This is simple to solve. Add a new Forum Games forum. Autoprune that, but don't autoprune Off Topic (or simply autoprune neither - it doesn't really matter at that point). Problem solved. It also means legitimately interesting Off Topic discussions don't get buried under forum games.

On the other hand, locking forum games threads entirely reeks of Stop Having Fun Guys: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StopHavingFunGuys

Bonus: Make the Forum Games forum invisible to staff! That way, you don't have to be bothered by the inanity of it all, and those of us who aren't too elitist about what kind of fun we're allowed to have can continue to enjoy forum games. :P
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