[...] 15:24 oh and i found this : http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4617&postdays=0&postorder=asc&vote=viewresult 15:24 32% wanted the option 15:25 and 45% said "Leave it as it is. Its too much bother to add a preference, and switching the image does not fix the problem" 15:26 not sure what was the problem, probably something about custom Tod images 15:27 id don't know what to think about these 45% without the "too much bother to add a preference" 15:28 oh only 37 votes, so maybe forget it :) 15:28 anyway, no time to read/think more about this, bye [...] 15:55 [...] I still think the Reverse-Time option was *stupid*. [...] 15:56 ESR__ I bet there was passoniate debate about it, so the option ;) 15:57 I read the forum thread. 15:57 and i suppose it's good for internationalization to have option for south hemisphers users 15:57 The "debate", if anything, seems to have been rather desultory. 15:58 I don't have a real opinion about it, but i rememeber that when i started to play wesnoth, i was annoyed by the direction of the sun's move 15:58 Well maybe, except that the game clearly takes place in the northern hemisphere of a world -- more snow is always "up" on the maps. 15:59 So I could actually see having a control for it from scenario WML :-) 15:59 the default was to use the southern hemisphere though.. 15:59 ESR__ assuming that you put north in the upper part of the map ;p 15:59 (I'm being funny, but I'm not actually joking.) 16:00 i.e. it went from right to left when i played the game the very first time 16:00 TYes, and that's how it should be in a noerthern hemisphere. 16:01 no in the north hemisphere, it left to right 16:01 No. Here's why. 16:02 Imagine yourself looking at a map on a table. East is to your right, west to your left. Nowm align map nort wit h real north, and what happens? 16:03 The sun, rising in the east, is *to tour right*. 16:03 s/tour/your/ 16:03 well, but look at the daytime pictures 16:03 The default is correct for northern hemispheres. 16:03 who said that the little ToD window was in the same direction as the map ? 16:03 and make photographs like that over the course of the day 16:04 then, in Europe, it goes left to right (without now thinking it through geometrically..) 16:04 elias: No, it doesn't. 16:05 It will look right to left anywhere north of the Equator. I *have* thought yjrough the geometry. 16:05 ESR__ plus with your explanation, we must not see the sun at 12h 16:05 How do you mean? 16:05 well, i can make a picture of the sun with my cellphone, and another one in a few hours.. 16:05 it will have gone left to right over the landscape 16:05 there's no point arguing that 16:06 That's not possible north of the equator if you're facing north. Now if you're facing *south*, it coul d happen. 16:06 I mean if you assume that ToD window point to north (like the map), you can't see the sun at noon 16:06 well, i'm facing to wherever i see the sun, naturally.. 16:07 yes seeing the sun at noon clearly indicate that we look south 16:07 elias: Ah, I see,. You're being a bit fooled by the apparent motion of the Sun due to axial tilt. 16:07 like, could set up a panoramic camera going all around 16:07 (if we are in the north hemisphere) 16:07 then draw the path inside the 360° panoramic picture 16:08 the sun will start at the east point, then go left-to-right, and disappear somewhere at the west point 16:08 Only if you're facing south. 16:08 and the time-of-day pictures used in wesnoth would be taken out of that.. so yeah, they should face south, actually 16:08 yeah, i see that now 16:09 I used to be a marhematician; we eat stuff like this for breakfast. 16:09 s/marhematician/mathematician/ 16:11 However, I will pput on my to-do list a WML control to flip the sky four Southern-hemisphere scenarios. 16:11 s/four/for/ 16:11 and change the default? [...] 16:12 No, I think the deault is correct. [...] 16:20 ESR__ maybe also grab more opinions about removing the reversed ToD option ? 16:21 Guess what? It's an adhesion between maigame and editor. I wouldn't want to put it back without strong reason, even if I didn't think it was the stupidest BfW option ever invented. 16:22 then at least make it go left-to-right :) 16:22 Yes, hex display is back in my editor instance. 16:23 But left to right is astronomically wrong. 16:23 (In a northern hemisphere.) 16:23 yes, but think of it as my 360° photograph [...] 16:23 astronomically, there is n lefte and right ;p 16:24 no left and right 16:24 we should assume the ToD pictures to be like photographs, taken in order 16:24 Right. Take photographs facing North, and the sky marches what you will see. 16:24 s/marches/ 16:24 no, there is no sun in a northern sky, ever 16:25 You must live at a rather high latitude. 16:25 or just in winter 16:25 hm 16:26 here it comes up in east, and goes down in west 16:26 I live at 40 degrees north, and Sun north of me in the sky isn't uncommon. 16:27 ESR__ in winter it's impossible 16:27 and at what time of day? 16:28 Maybe it will be clearer if you imagne yourself lying on the ground, head soth and feet north. 16:28 Now, how is the Sun going to move? 16:28 the ToD pictures show mountains though, so i'm clearly facing along the horizon.. 16:28 :) 16:29 if we make a "top-down" view of earth as ToD pictures, and show the sun's relative position, then i'd be with you [...] 16:29 but as it is now, you cannot make actual, real pictures at morning, midday, afternoon, with such positions 16:29 This is silly. I need to go fix illuminated-hex display, not argue about this. [...] -- #wesnoth-dev, 2007-07-16